I just felt like I was so addicted to this kind of false version of my life that it was just taking over. And the thing that really upset me is the press ran. They were saying, Oh look. He's not the perfect happy go lucky kid you think he is. He's having a nervous breakdown in New York If I was having a mental breakdown, Not for you to report on.
They took the story in the wrong direction, and they kind of painted people looking for help. It's the wrong light, the best selling ordering post. The number 1 healthy wellness in his podcast. In purpose with Jay S in A lot of studies show that how we were loved or un loved between the ages of 0 to 5, impact, the next 15, 25, 50 years of our life. Wow.
And how we give love to ourselves and how we give love to others. And so I thinking do you have a core memory or an experience with your family from childhood. That kind of em embed the feeling you have about them now or that keeps you tied close to them. I'd say sort of more than a memory is just a feeling that we... I could say all of my brothers and I had.
Was that because our dads are comedian. His job only ever existed once we had gone to bed, and our mom work from home. She was a photographer. So to us as kids, our parents didn't really work. They just were always home, we had this amazing foundation where no matter any time of the day, either mum or dad would be at the house, and we felt so kind of solid as a family, which is why like, I kind of have this dream of 1 day having kids and put in my work to bed and just kind of being there as a dad because I really admire how my dad.
Was around, you know, being a comedian is a very, very volatile job. That the highs and lows are so extreme. And as kids, we never saw that. The only version of my dad I ever saw was the happy dad. Let's go to the park.
We used to play this game called golf goals where we would go down to the park. There's like this big blue metal goal. And we would just fire golf balls into that goal every day, and he would give us 10 p every time, a ball went in the goal, and that was kind of the foundation of our golf and and all that sort of stuff. So for me, broader than a core memory was the idea of always feeling connected and safe within my family unit, and I think a large portion of that is that my mom and dad have always been such a solid team, and they've always been there for us. Yeah.
Wow. Have they... As you've grown older, have they kind of opened up about some of the challenges that they were going through that they obviously didn't show you and your family? When you were kids because I can imagine we always talk about this Right? Like being a comedian is extremely difficult because you're making everyone else laugh.
At the same time, it's it's a career path that, like you said, is completely volatile. Sure. Have... Have they opened up as time's gone on, and how has that felt when you've gone from, like, senior parents always been happy to being, like, Wait. There was all this other stuff going on.
Absolutely, they have. And and it's not even sometimes thing that they've told us. It's just things that we've grown up. To recognize as a young kid, you know, you're not looking to house my mom feeling and has my dad feeling. And now as an as an older person, you know, those are things I care about.
I wanna call my mom, because I know it will brighten our day. So that's all part of growing up, I guess. So seeing the way in which... My Dad's job affects him or my Dad's job affects my mom is something we've all sort of come to terms with, and he's amazing at it. I mean to be honest, I say effect.
It doesn't really affect anyone. He's so good at handling it. And which is a lot of why I feel like I am the way I am. For example, the crowded rooms come out. The critics absolutely hated it.
They thought was the worst thing they've ever seen, and it doesn't really upset me. And I think a large... Part of my feeling towards that has come from my dad, being able to do a gig, the gig not going well, him brushing it off his shoulder and just right onto the next 1. Yeah. Well, and and first of all, I wanna point out as well.
So I've been watching the crowded room. Right. And me and my wife and watching it together. And we're actually really enjoying. Yeah.
Thank you. Like we're actually loving it because I love a show that has mystery. Sure. That's trying to, like, get me to figure it out and get me to think about. I'm kinda confused and I love stuff like that.
Like, I'm a massive, Christopher Nolan fan. Yeah. So all my favorite movies are Nolan movies and the reason why I love them is because I have no idea what's going on. Sure. And that's you gotta figure it out.
And you gotta figure out and I love puzzles and I love escape rooms, and I love anything down. Yeah. I love anything that's got me thinking hat what is going on here and why can't I figure it out? Hey, Do you know you should watch? I I admittedly watch it to go to sleep if I'm ever feeling stressed or like, over stimulated, I watched his guy called Chris Ramsay.
He He's like a Youtube guy. He's a magician, but I just watch him solve puzzles. He like buys these Japanese, like handcrafted puzzle boxes. Wow. And he just solves them, and I've started buying them.
And they come to the house and you sit down for 4 hours, put it down, pick it up and try and solve this puzzle, and it's amazing. Have you... Are you in good at them? No. I'm absolutely terrible.
I've had an un unsolved rubik's excuse since I was at 11. But I am... But, yeah. So I watch his videos because there's just something about, like, the sound of the word. I'm a carpenter so I love, like, craftsmanship and that sort of stuff.
So I love the way that these pieces are put together. So watching him solve the puzzles. I find so relaxing. Yeah. I think for so many of us, you know, getting bad reviews, perceptions, people talking about us, whatever that maybe be whatever scale we live at can actually affect us.
Sure. And you're saying that actually seeing your dad letting him seeing him shrug it off and seeing him move on actually really helped him. Do you think that you've been able to create a bit more of a skill around that now or is it something that happens naturally for you because I'm... I'm guessing that there's a lot of people are listening and watching again. Tom, that's pretty amazing that you can do that.
At your scale and your level, but, you know, I'm still affected by that, or I really struggle when my mates are something. Like, I know... Sure. Number 1 thing I hear is, like, most people don't chase their dreams because they're scared of what their mates will say. Let alone what the world will the world also say.
Yeah. Like I had this late... I was I was flying back last night as I was telling you. I on a plane from Dc to London last night, and the air hostess, she was wonderful. And name was Jeanette.
She said to me, She was like, I really wanna start a Youtube channel, but, you know, you just gotta block up what your friends are gonna say. Right? And she was just worried about it so that it's a very real thing, So I guess, have you kind of figured out a little formula for it or is it just natural because you saw your dad and it's become easier that way? I think it's a little bit of Both really, you know, I think it's something you definitely get better. Right?
I'm really lucky that I have an incredibly strong group of friends. Like, 1 of my best mates just called me up earlier to say seen the fifth episode. And it's like, I know what happens in the show and I'm still loving it. The people I'm watching it with Have no idea what's going on, but they can't wait for the next 1. Yeah.
So, you know, I really really hold high the opinions of people that I really care about going More are really lucky to have an amazing group of fans who are so supportive. They are die hard. They are their day 1, and that makes me feel really good. But I I do think a lot of my lessons in life have come from my dad. And the ways that he can deal with things, things that he hasn't done very well in the past that he's passed on to me.
And I sort of... I live by this really... I don't actually know if Christian bale did say this, but about I love Christian. I love Krishna you said it. Yeah.
Said you said it. Yeah. But I think the quote is... If you have a problem with me, text me. And if you don't have my number, you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me.
That so good. And I think that that is such a great piece of advice. Because as a celebrity, you live on this stage. You live out there. You kind of give out a version of yourself that you want people, to see.
Mh. And that can be the version of yourself that they can have a problem with or they can love. And there is a, you know, I feel like I'm quite authentic in my public persona. But I just tried to really care about what my family thinks, what my friends think the people in my local community thing. I live in Kingston and I know everyone that lives there.
I can't walk 5 feet without bumping into 1 of my mom's friends. So... Yeah. So it's something I've been working on. I try my best to not let that stuff affect me.
It does. Yeah. Of course. I'm not cold hearted or anything like that. It does affect me, but I just try to to move on and focus on the positive.
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. What what was a... Did you ever see your dad deal with everything and you thought, wow.
That was incredible. That was there anything specific that you remember they're light. Seeing him like, tackle something, and you thought, wow, that really impressed me. Even if it was something really small in hindsight, I think the thing I'd admire most about my dad is his resilience. You know, he's someone who has had an incredibly successful career in his earlier life.
And then later in life, his career sort of plateau and he's struggled. And he's never stopped. He's never given up. He's still gig into this day. He's still writing book.
He has a patron, and he has a podcast. He's constantly graft to get to where he wants to be. And I think being a young kid and seeing your dad, continually working as hard as he can to kind of put his best foot forward. For me has been a huge drive for my work ethic. I'll give it a hundred percent where I'll give it nothing.
I think a lot of that has come from my dad and seeing him deal with that. The funny thing about my dad is you talk about doing a bad gig, I must have seen him 20 times, and I've never seen him do it back. He always seems to absolutely rip it, but maybe that's just because we're in the audience, but he, no. III owe a lot to my dad and a lot of the teachings, I think he's told me and things I've just witnessed him. Yeah.
And was there ever a piece of feedback or a rumor or something you saw that did. But affect you where you actually thought, Well or at least made you stop and go, god I'm trying to see the positives, but this one's tough. Like, like this actually made me have to pause and figure it out. Something that did really upset me. I was in New York.
I was shooting the crown crowded room, And I was having a really hard time with the job just because of how taxing it was the emotional capacity that I was having to get to every day. And I decided to delete my Instagram because I just felt like I was so addicted to this kind of false version of my life that it was just taking over I would be set working. I'd come and sit in my chair and just scroll scroll scroll score scroll, and it was it was becoming a problem. I was just... Obsessed with it, and I obsessed to find out what people were saying and how people...
What they thought about me. So I decided to make an announcement, which unfortunately we have to do and say that I'm taking a break from social media. And And I tried to position myself and say, like, I'm taking a break from social media because I feel like my mental health will benefit from it. And the thing that really upset me is the press ran with that and they tried to make out that I was having this mental breakdown. And what upset me was, if I was having a mental breakdown, that's not...
For you to report on, they they they took the story in the wrong direction, and they try... They painted again, this negative light on mental health. Rather than saying, Oh, he's doing it. It's okay that he's doing it. So we should all feel okay to do it too.
They were saying, oh, look. He's not the perfect Hap go lucky kid you think he is. He's having a nervous breakdown in New York. And I think that that was a really unfair line of journalism. Let's say because I just think it again kind of painted people looking for help in the wrong light if you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. It almost sounds like you were actually preemptively going.
I'm doing this so that I don't Right. Go in that direction. So listen. At at least I'm not trying to put words anymore but absolutely. It's almost like I'm proactively seeing that I could end up in a position where...
Sure. I might have a down. I don't wanna be in that position and so I'm responsibly saying, Guys I'm taking a break. Right. In order to protect myself.
A hundred percent. Yeah. Which makes a lot of sense and actually it's quite admirable again. Totally, and that's kinda of what the message of the show is about. Like, the the message of our show is that asking for help should be something that we celebrate.
Yeah. If you're struggling, if you need help, If you feel bad and you wake up and and you go to a friend, a therapist to teacher an employee or a a colleague, you can say, I'm really struggling. I need some help. That should be something that we give you a pat on the back. I, I would love to help you.
I'm so I'm delighted that you asked me. And that for me, that announcement was kind of my olive branch and the press ran with it, how they ran with it. But to be fair, it kind of gave me a great drive to finish the crowded room in the way that we did to, like, if you're not gonna listen to my personal message, then you have to listen to the message of my show. Yeah. So it kind of went hand in hand.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You've you've reminded me, actually. When when you said that because I think we naturally today I think of therapists or or doctors, but you you mentioned teacher there.
And I was thinking, when I was going through a really rough time at school once. I remember my walk to school from the bus stop. I'd see a teacher every day that I was really close that school, but you never talk to your teachers. Walking to school crazy crazy person. Yeah.
Again. But I was so lonely at the time that I remember, Like, almost thinking, like, well, he's the only person I can talk to because of other stuff I was going through at school, and I remember I started talking to him on the way to school. His name's mister Buck. He knows, I go on about him everywhere and He avoids it because Everyone's always like, oh, Chase been talking about Yeah. You're talking like.
And... But it was it was that exact feeling where He was like, he was someone that I felt I could open to it that open up to it at that point in my life without feeling judged. Without feeling like he was gonna see me through another lens. And just having that space to be seen for as a human who is going through stuff So by a teacher was a huge huge win. And so, you know, it's you are right there, that help can come in all different forms and It does it doesn't have to come in the ways that we expected to come in.
Yeah. It doesn't have to be a professional. Yeah. I go to my friends a lot, and and you know, some friends are better than others. In certain situations I've got some friends that are very much like, pull your socks up and get on with it and then Yeah.
Other friends who like, come here and have a cry on my shoulder, but like it, It varies. So III just really hope that that's what the show could do is yeah. Is sort of paint this positive picture of asking for help is something to be proud of. But that's a great message. And and I think we we all need to hear it.
And I wanna go back a little bit because there's a lot of interviews that you've done, and I've and I've watched a lot of stuff over the time. But, like we're talking about, a lot of it sound. Because it's quick and short and leveraged entertainment, you know, interviews, and that's Was really grateful for. You took out the time to do this. But you were diagnosed as far as I...
It's read with D87. Yes. And I was wondering how, you know, a lot of our community in our audience is diagnosed as well or some of them are not, but they're finding out later on in life. How did that affect your? How were you set up for success with that from it?
Because as an actor, you've gotta learn lines. You gotta read lines. You... There's a lot of... Activities that people would assume are quite challenging.
Sure. But you found a way and and walk us through that a little bit. I don't know. I had... My mom has always been really hands on with our education Mh.
She, you know, really wanted us to just do our best. Our dad always said, like, look, I don't care what grades you get as long as you try your best. You try your best, and that's all that we can ask. Fall. But, yeah, my d...
It's really just my spelling. I mean, honestly, it's just that. Yeah. You know, like, those sort of games that you play at Christmas. Have you ever played the 1 we have to write down the answers the...
It's I such good game. Is it Boulder dash. I don't know Boulder. Is it... It's basically a game where someone will read out a scenario or Right.
Ask a question, and then you have to answer the question to the best of your ability, but you can also bluff. And lie. I've never played this And if you write somewhat a believing answer and people vote for your answer you win. Oh, cool. Okay.
I've never played it. Which is great. But when I play it, everyone's like, what does that say? That is definitely not spelled right. Good But, yeah.
So my spelling was really the biggest hurdle. Yeah. I worked really hard at school. I didn't do particularly well. But but Again, my parents said as long as you try your best, then that's what we can ask for.
Yeah. And acting you started early too, Age 9. Right? Like, that was something you started to pursuing really early on in life, and I feel was that something that you were always sure about? There's that there's that famous viral tiktok that always goes around of you You know, I can't...
I don't know how old you were being asked. You know, what superhero would you play? Alright. Old and you say, oh, maybe spider man. Right?
And it's like... And and I wonder, like, how much of your acting career? Do you feel like you've manifested or there was a vision or a focus or is it more just like this was not truly what you were into in it. It grew. Where where did that come from?
I do believe in manifesting actually. I really do. I think was interesting about my career is this was never something I wanted. I just was a young kid. I loved dancing.
My mom would take me to a dance class every Saturday, and I got spotted through that dance class to to audition for a show on the West end. I ended up doing the show. Loved it. Billie Elliot. It was the top of my life.
I, you know, it was such a cool experience. I'm through Just by complete fluke, an agent came to see the show, the night that I was on, she signed me. She sent me to an audition for a film, I was lucky enough to get the part all of a sudden I was on set with you Mac mcgregor and Naomi Watts, and we made the impossible. And to be perfectly honest with you, it was it was just a hobby. It was something that my mom would let me do on the summer holidays.
She was very keen that I kept my schooling up. And they sort of came that time in England where you're in between Gcc in a levels, and you're trying to figure out my... When I was going through that, you could still drop out at a levels. Obviously, now you have to do a levels. And he's I had that moment where I was like, what do I wanna do?
I could try and stay at school and figure out what I wanna do or this thing that's been a hobby, but my sort of summer holiday activity, which is acting. I could try and do that for a living. And I've been so lucky that I've been, you know, offer jobs and all that sort of stuff. I decided to go with it. I'd I I'd I joined the Brit school because, you know, my mom was keen that I'd didn't go for school for an education, but went to school to expand my social skills and meet kids my own age or my friends when I was 15 were, like, 30 year old people.
Because they're all adults from the business. Yeah. So I think my mom was keen that I had some friends that at my age who are now my best friends today, So I never really wanted this. I just sort of never stopped doing it, and I love it. I absolutely love it.
I love the creativity. I love the building blocks that... Are required to put a film together. I love the collaboration on set between people from all different walks of life. You know, a film set is a melting part of all sorts of different people.
So I love it. I absolutely love it. Yeah. Well, and and I a rental that you said you were bullied for, like, doing ballet. Yeah.
Riley, which obviously got you into the... Playing the roller because it's ballet tap right. Sure. It's both. So was was that was that tough at the time?
Or like, were we trying to hide it, and then you end up on... You know, you end up at the west end and you're on the main stage and everyone's seeing it? Or was it kind of easy to navigate And How did that go down? Because I feel like as a kid doing ballet and Tat must have been a little challenging? Yeah.
I mean, it was it wasn't easy, but it also wasn't tough. You know? I went to a rugby school, so you can imagine, like, the 1 kid in the school that does Ballet. There's gonna be comments here and there. It wasn't the easiest thing in the world.
There were kids that didn't understand why I was doing it or what I was doing it for. No matter how many times I explained, like, I'm the only guy in a class of 30 girls in tights. I like guys. This is what you wanna be doing. Like Rugby is not it.
But I... Nah. It was tough. But again, like, it goes back to what we were saying about resilience and keeping your head down and Crowded room was the hardest job I've ever had for all sorts of different reasons, and there was a point in time where we were talking about. Do we shut this down and walk away from it?
Because of how challenging it was, and, you know, I dug my heels in, I put my head down. Was like, I'm gonna finish this. I'm gonna see it through. And I think, you know, you learn from past experiences like that. So I really am proud of the way we everyone handled the crowded room, and I think that stems from my childhood.
My dad's experiences and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Well, so I've got a confession as automate. Go on. So I went to rugby school as well.
Okay. And played. I played... Yeah. I played for my team and I was I was pretty...
You're in the. I pretty good Okay. Play. Flank. Okay.
Well. So I was I was really rugby because I went to Rugby school, and I love football, but my school in play football. And so I was like, no. I've gotta be on the school's main team short sure. So worked really hard to get on the team.
But after we pay Rugby on a Saturday, my mom forced to go to dance class and part of it was Ballet and Ta as well Really. Although I did not end up at the West properly lot because I don't think Vi was brown. So well, that wasn't gonna happen. So it wasn't the same path as you. Oh.
But I also had that experience. That's why I had to ask. Did you enjoy it? I really enjoyed it for the commuting aspect for it. Like I love all the lads that I was there with.
They were just there were just a great laugh, and it was really interesting because we'd go from, you I'd literally go from playing Rugby straight to class on a Saturday, and I'm going there with all my bruises exhausted all the rest of it. But everyone's just so much fun. Sure. And it's almost like, the rugby pitch picture was more stressful because everyone was, you know, trying to be intense to trying to be this and that whereas... Everyone just have a laugh at the Dance policy.
We do everything from Hip hop to street to love it. Whatever but, yeah, I remember never telling... I think there's the first number ever spoken of ours out there. It's been a safe face with you. Love But it's interesting because rugby regiment.
Isn't it? Yeah. I love you love be back. You play you play a position that is as specific as saying the b side flank. You know, when you're a dancer, you're just a dancer.
You know, you... You you can fit in, however you want to fit in. Yeah. The teacher you can ask you how are you're feeling about that rather than like, you need to get your head down to the left to make a proper tackle. I did love playing Rugby when I was smaller.
Yeah. When all... Well, not when I was smaller, when all the... Kids were smaller, And then there was that time where I came back to school after Be elliott, and everyone had just become a man, and I was still very much. A child.
Yeah. I remember we played this school called Trinity College, and it was my first game back, and I was playing scrum half. I came on the second half, and it was a violent game. It was not it was not a gentleman's gamer of rugby. And I was standing they were kicking to us be receiving, and I remember thinking, as long as the ball doesn't come to me off the kick I'll be fine.
I need the game to get going, and then I'll be fine. I'm scrum relatively safe position, a good play maker. As soon as he kick the ball, it's coming straight towards me. I... I'm trying to catch it.
I can hear the boots running towards me. I fumble it, knock on. The game goes on, I start playing well, I assisted a try, and then I don't remember what happened or how it happened. But there was a a really tough kid on our team who will remain nameless. I haven't spoken to him since I don't know what he's doing.
But he got to a fight with some kid on the opposing team, and it was really quite ugly. And then the kids dad came on the pitch to tell off this boy that was on my team, and the kid on my team knocked down his dad? No. Like proper. Like, it's the first time I've ever seen someone hit someone, and I couldn't believe that a kid who was How do you?
He must have been 16 at the time. But he's 1 of those 16 year olds that would look older than I do now when he was sick 16, and I just remember hearing the noise. He like, crack this down on the jaw, hit the floor, then his whole big fight broke out. I'm not a fight so I stepped away and myself like what's going on. Yeah.
It was wild. And that was the last gamer Rugby I ever played. It was against Trinity College. Oh my god. Yeah It was really intense.
Wow. Yeah. That Yeah. That's so intense to got. I...
My last game was similar but not not watching a fight. So someone ran... I had... It was a big game and it's not I was playing really well that... Season and everything was going really well, and someone ran into a rock, but with their elbow, which is obviously illegal.
Totally. It ran in and they elbow me right there. Like, right lens it's on this side and right below there. And the next thing I know, I get up, and I'm like, kinda feeling a bit aggressive. You cut as well?
Well, I didn't notice and then blood starts to drip and I was like, that's when you freak out because oh, God. I'm I'm like, I... And there's a lot of blood just dripping. So I get sub off. Are And the nurse on the side just puts a bit of glue there.
Like just stick it together. Mh. And at the... That time, you don't really notice in. You're thinking you're alright.
And then literally an hour later. It's just getting thicker and thicker and thick. I'm ended up with this, run to the hospital on the way home because my coach is just like suck it up. It's fine. You'll be fine.
On there, they're like, if you were any later, you would have had nerve damage and, like, personally potentially lost your iso eyesight, whatever it was, and they have to, like, glue it and a little bit of stitches or whatever it was. And I... For the for the rest of the month, I walked around with my, like, you know, I literally hanging over, and I looked like I got into like, the worst fight. Like I walked into a store and everyone would kinda of back off and stuff, and it was just really uncomfortable with That was my last game mu rug with us so. I just remembered that.
But... And Yeah. It was it was inter it was that's it was intense, but it was great. Like you said, it was great regiment to disciplined training. I love training with my mates.
I love playing. I love... As a young man as well like having a outlet to release the energy that I had totally was good in in, obviously, in a way that wasn't trying to hurt others this. But that's what's so great about boxing. Yeah.
It's like boxing is such a great release. You know, you see these young kids like young kids who are angry. You need to let something go. Like go punch your bag. For an hour.
Well, that will make you. That'll will calm you down. Yeah. I love how boxing is such a great thing for young for young people to to release that for sort of. You boxing?
Do you buy a I live boxing. It's been a few years since I've I've done any sort of training. I used go to this great Gym in in New York called church street boxing. Mh. Sort love it there.
At a great pro. You could sort of spa with him because you know that he wouldn't bat you because he could control himself. I went to one's spa session just a general session, and I got absolutely back. Yeah. It was tough.
But I love it. I love the sport, I'm a little bit sad as to, like, how the sport is being run right now. Right. But I do love the sport and I admire the athletes. I think they're amazing.
What's your take on Youtube is, But seeing and all that kind of stuff. And because it's obviously bringing a lot of attention to the sport. So perfectly, Honest email, I don't really mind it. I think it's quite fun I think if you're doing it for the right reasons, you know, there's a great opportunity to raise some money for amazing charities, And I think a few of them have done a lot for charity. I think it's really great.
I think, yeah. You know, my brother Patty would never have been watching boxing and now. Yeah. He loves because of his favorite with it. Youtubers are boxing.
So... Yeah. If it's good for the sport, it's good for the sport. I I sort of don't really mind. I think it's funny to be honest.
Yeah. Because you sit at home washing, you're like I could do that. I can get in there and do that. You're like, well, I don't you and you're like, well, Yeah. I don't really wanna do that.
So we we might see you in creed for this. Yeah. That's that's yeah. We we'll do that we'll do the acting boxing. I'd love to do a boxing movie.
Yeah. I think it would be cool to do a boxing movie, but where the fighting is real. Like we through that? I wouldn't necessarily be in that realm. Right?
But I do think that you could make a really interesting film where the outcome of the film is determined on. The outcome of the real fight. Has anything like that ever been done, like, racing or any... And can you... I'm just trying to...
Not that I know? Yeah. Not. I know. That's what I'm trying to think.
It could be really cool. Yeah. Wow. But, yeah, I love I love boxing movies. I'm a sucker for it.
Yeah Yeah. Which ones which which one's do your favorite? I think Rocky 2 is probably my favorite. I remember when we were in Billy elliot, we had this room called the Billy Room, and there was always a Billy back. Stage while the show was going on because the show was so labor intensive if it was very dangerous.
There's lots of moving parts. There's lots of acr. It wasn't too uncommon for ability to get injured, and then there would be someone up stairs who would replace that Billy. And we would just hang out upstairs, and there was an xbox and a television and and all that sort of stuff. And 1 of the Dvds that we had, the 2 Dvds we had was step up to the streets, my favorite film of all time and Rocky 2.
And I've must have seen that film 40 times. How many times did you practice the dance in the mirror? Mate. I've got the whole dance down. Right?
Look can we see it? No? Yeah. No. I love that film.
I absolutely love that film. Yeah. I'd take I'd say my favorite... So Rocky was my favorite because I'd wash it with my dad. Sure.
And Rocky... Yeah I I struggled between Rocky 3 and Rocky 4 because I love mister tea. And 4 3. That's 3 3. And I loved Ivan Drag as well, which was 4.
And they were both just such great movies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Was just... Yeah.
It's such great entertainment that even though there's nothing like real boxes. Yeah. Nothing is. Nothing mo. But then I remember watching boxer and when I growing up, It was prince a scene.
Oh, so I didn't it. Yeah. My dad was a big fan of his. So I remember watching him like. Love his style.
There's a video of him. Working with the, I guess he's just... It's like a swinging bag, and he is so effortless because Cane has got great head movement, but the... But he looks like he's thinking about it, Yeah. Whereas z is just living the dream.
Just he's so fluid and I love the way he used to move. Yeah. Yeah. And I love how we would enter the ring. Me, I would over rotate and slam on my face or something.
Yeah. He was brilliant. He was like wrestling meets boxing. Yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That... He must have been a nightmare to fight. Yeah. He must have been night He's beating me and he's embarrassing me.
This is really tough. Terrible. What do you think of Loma? Did you see his last fight? I haven't.
No. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. That's an interesting 1. Go tell me I I didn't it at all.
Well, I think the general consensus is that he won. Oh, but it was given the other way. Right. Right. He is my favorite box.
Right. Because of his history, his background in dance. He was like, I guess, a really talented boxer and then, I get... I don't know if this is true, but his dad sent him to go and study dance. For sort of 5 years or something like that.
For his boxing for his boxing, which is why his foot work is like on another planet. There's loads of examples of where he's fighting people and they look up for and he's just gone. He's behind them. So I I really admire him, but his most recent fight he lost. How did it go against him?
Was it vote It was a vote. Yeah. Yeah right. They went against him. So I wonder whether they'll fight again.
Yeah. That... I guess that have If there's... It seems like this is a... Conspiracy there.
That's the problem with boxing though, Like, will they fight again? Yeah. You know? Because it's it's a tricky. It's a tricky business.
I'm not the, whether, you know, if they wanna fight though. Fine. That's why I love about it. I took my brother and my cousin to the U the other night, and that is such a savage sport. Fine It is.
That is... Yeah. It's terrifying. Oh, we don't want that to be a movie and a real 1. I seen the worry.
I was just gonna talk about fame movies so. The worry is 1 of the most underrated movies. That movie. Yeah. It's it's a little ridiculous The idea that they have, like, 6 fights a night getting ready for 1 final.
But I do love that film. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really good. It's really good movie.
Oh, well, okay. Alright. So we know there's a boxing movie coming somewhere. Yeah. There's gotta be 1 down the line.
There's gotta be 1 down the... Absolutely. And and we wanna see you work your way up and think you... I mean, we might see you, like, you know, actually go do it for real. Sounds Yeah.
Imagine. For charity, maybe. 1 of the things that you mentioned recently was that you gave up drinking about year and a half ago. Yes. And you said it was the hardest thing you ever did?
Yes. And I wanted to know what was so hard about it for you. Why was it so hard? It's interesting. III didn't 1 day wake up and say I'm giving up drinking.
I just, like many brits had had a very, very boo December. Christmas time. I was on vacation. I was drinking a lot. And I've always been able to drink a lot.
I think I get my jeans from my mom's side in that thing that I can I can drink? And I decided to just give up for January. I just wanted to do dry January, and all I could think about was having a drink. It's all I could think about. I was waking up thinking about it.
I was checking the clock wednesday at 12. And it just really scared me. I just was like, wow. Maybe maybe I have a little bit of an alcohol thing. So I sort of decided to punish myself and say, I'll do February as well.
I'll do 2 months off. I can do 2 months off, then I can prove to myself. I don't have a problem. 2 months go by, and I was still really struggling. I felt like I couldn't be social.
I felt like I couldn't go to the pub and have a lime soda. I couldn't go out for dinner. I was really, really struggling. And I started to really worry that maybe I had an alcohol problem. So I decided that I would wait until my birthday, which is June first.
I said to myself. If I can do 6 months without alcohol, then I can prove to myself, I don't have a problem. And by the time, I had got to June first. I was the happiest I would ever been in my life. I could sleep better.
I could handle problems better. Things that would go wrong on set that would normally set me off. I could take in my stride. I had so much such better mental clarity. I felt healthier.
I felt fitter, and I just sort of said to myself, like, why why am I enslaved? To this drink? Why am I obsessed by the idea of having this drink? And I would look back and recognize that I would go to events for for work and to, I can't enjoy myself until I've had a few beers. And I just felt so much pressure, and this is 1 of the things why I've sort of distanced myself.
From the rugby community because so much of it is about how much can you drink? Let's get you as drunk as possible. And it's honestly been the best thing I've ever done. A year and a half into it now. It doesn't even cross my mind.
I found amazing replacements that I think are fantastic. Ones that are also really healthy. I found this 1 beer that it's full of electrolytes and it's, you know, the carbohydrates in it are long lasting energy. So like, having a beer is now actually like a really healthy thing. I'm really lucky that all my friends are super supportive about it.
I've never run into that scenario where my friends are like, I'll go on Just have a beer like you're fine. They've always sort of really supported me, and I don't wanna be that person that's saying to people. You should get sober, you should get sober. If I get encouraged someone to drink less. They've then that's great.
But I I don't wanna start getting into the world of you need to stop drinking because I just... It's it's not for me to say I went on my own little journey. I'm really enjoying it, I'm delighted that my mom's all weren't has also given up, she's loving it, and it's been amazing. I can't believe the difference that I feel. From not drinking.
Yeah. I feel amazing. That's amazing, man. I love hearing that. And I love hearing that it's been great for you.
Right? I think Yeah. That's the point not everything has to be, like, look what I did. You can do it too it No. This is just what's been great for me.
Do you think it was partly that attitude for you at least in the beginning where it's like, well look Can't can drink. I drink a lot. Come from my mom jeans, and it doesn't affect me, and then all of a sudden, you realize, well wait a minute. It's more than that. Because I think there is that.
Like, Was like that as a young man as well. Like, for me, it was it was easy to drink. I I didn't drink daily for me I drank a lot more socially. Sure. And I love playing drinking games on my mate.
Yeah. That was absolutely. Enjoyed the most probably. And for me, when I quit, I could just quickly see how it just got me into doing things I would never do if I wasn't drunk so for sure For me it was more that. But, yeah, I wonder for you, did you find that it's...
There's a really fine line between, like, oh, I know I can drink a lot, and then all of a sudden. You're kind of... Not addicted beyond that. No. Addictive, I'm happy to say a lot, I was definitely addicted to alcohol, not shy away from that at all.
I think anyone that wakes up and has it not wakes up. Anyone has a beer every day has probably got a little bit of a problem. But, yeah, You're right. I would drink and drink and drink and drink, and then you would just reach that moment where you like Shouldn't have had that last beer. And you wake up the next day and you have a terrible headache.
And you're suffering. I I bought 1 of those rings that will tell you about your sleep? Yeah. Or. Yeah.
It was amazing because I couldn't sleep. I was like, why can't I sleep. I'm working 14 hours a day. I'm doing 2 hours in the gym. I'm eating really health, and I can't sleep.
What's wrong with me. I bought this ring, and it was booze. But It just... It was completely affecting my sleep. And since I've given it up, I can sleep anywhere.
You know? It's also interesting as well going on nights out and having a great time as the sober person. And then getting to that point in the night where people start, you know, spitting in your ear and everyone's, I love you, man. I love you so much like, yeah, Brilliant. I love you too.
I see tomorrow. I'm going to bed. I love being that person now. I love seeing my friends on the golf course at 8AM in the morning. She's feeling fresh and ready to go.
And they're sort of crawling out there. Got around. So, yeah. So I I I'm over the moon Yeah. Sober.
I love it. Yeah. For anyone who is listening right now it's going, Tom, I love that for you. I want to do it too. Like, they're listening going, I'm having too much every day.
I can notice some of those things. But I'm just stuck and it's hard because we know that addictions that way, we know that this is heavy. It's not easy. But if someone is watching going, but Tom, tell me, like, what what did you do to even get started? How did you have that courage to say, I'm gonna do January?
I'm gonna stick it. Were there any moments where you actually fell back and then I had to get back on the horse again? Like, we'll just walk us through that a little bit more for anyone who is watching going, Tom may. I I wanna be in your position in, like, 6 months. I didn't fall back on it.
I have done in the past. I I've had periods of my life where I'd given up drinking and then gone back to drinking. But this time, I don't know. It was just different. I really worked to sort of change my mindset.
I really asked myself like, why do you drink? Why are you drinking? And a lot of the time my answer would be to feel more comfortable in the social environment. Yeah. And I just put myself, in those environments and just would force myself to be there.
I'd force myself to hang out and and go to a club or go to a bar, go to a dinner. Yeah. So we weren't avoiding those places. I wasn't at the beginning because I didn't feel like I could go and not have a drink because of the stress of it. But then after a while, I sort of as I mate, You got a police socks up here and you can't just...
Live in your house all the time. You've gotta go out and enjoy yourself. And and if you're only enjoying yourself because you're drinking, then you really do have a problem. But I just changed my mindset. I just I found really good replacements, things that I could sort of attribute to having a beer.
I often found with me. Most of it is just the ritual of cracking something open and sharing it with friends and drinking it. Whether it's sparkling water or a beer, I now can't... I don't associate, like, I don't see a difference. Yeah.
But I think it's different for everyone. I had a great support system. Jack is 1 of my best mates, and we travel all over the world. He doesn't drink doing it with him was was a really helpful experience for me. My brother is always on the road with me.
He was very supportive and, yeah, I just really set my mind to it. I was, I really wanna do this. I wanna prove to myself, I can do it. Yeah. And then once I'd felt the health benefits and started really.
Feeling, like my full self. Yes. Oh my god. This is this is the best. But do you not drink?
I haven't drank for 17 years. No way. Congratulations. That's amazing. Feel amazing.
Yeah. It was it's incredible. Wow. So 1 of the best feelings in the world, and it's... My my biggest...
Like, worry when I was about to quit... Was like, how am Gonna hang over with my mates. I was wondering what worry I was like my mate knew me as the guy who was like, first to the game. Lost to get out. That was me.
But, you know, the clown when I got drunk, like, life of the part, you kinda, like that kind of guy. And then all of a sudden, I I decided I wasn't gonna drink anymore. I was like, crap him Were gonna fit in, and then I remember, I went into the corporate world for a bit, And I didn't drink. And I was like, God, am I gonna miss out a lot opportunities and working, like, know, all the guys afterwards are, like, gonna to get drinks and I'm like, I'll come. I'll have a water or a la soda, whatever it is or.
And what was really interesting for me is not, relying on drinking made me rely on qualities and skills I had. Sure. That were actually better, Yeah. So now that I couldn't drink as an excuse to hang with the lads. I was bringing out parts to my personality, that I probably would have just...
Hidden away suppressed. And all of a sudden, you were actually getting respected and liked for who you were. Right. Rather than the person who you were when you were drunk. Sure.
And and actually, that worked in the workplace, and there was no 1 at the workplace going Rj doesn't drink so he's not getting promoted. Right. It wasn't like that People are like, oh, yeah, really like hanging out with Jay He's he's really good guy or whatever it may be, and I was still getting the same opportunities and Was still getting promoted at work and whatever it was. And I think that's why I'd like to remind people that don't feel like your career or your work is gonna suffer. Even for you, like, you've...
I'm sure as a, you know, with your career path, you have to be at parties, you have to be at events. Of course. And the fact that you're able to do that now without having alcohol, and you... It doesn't sound like it's negatively impacting your career, if anything is the opposite. But may, I honestly cannot believe like the amount of times I've sat down with an actor that I really admired or sat down with the producer.
Broad director and be like, you know what, I don't drink anymore. And they go, I don't drink 10 years. And you're like, oh my god. And I've had so many insightful conversations with people like yourself, broad where you've heard their story, their reason for giving up. And you...
There is a wonderful community of people. And I love it. I love being a part of that community. I'm really proud to be a part of it. I hope that, you know, I can meet other people and chat them about it because it's really nice.
It's lovely to be honest. Gonna go get limestone sewn together. You know? Yeah. Let's get a juice.
So let's get smooth. Yeah. Yeah. No. It it is true.
It's true. And it's really interesting because they... Can't remember, I'm trying to remember. There was this blog that came out years ago. I can't even remember it now, and there was this girl on Instagram.
Who was getting a lot of likes and a lot of comments and a lot of attention. And 1 day, she just disappeared, like she stopped posting, and everyone's just like all the comments were like, where are you? What happened are you okay? Like, what happened to you, you know, everyone was frantic, trying to figure out what happened to because they loved her. They were following in all the rest of it.
And what they didn't know is that it was built by a team, that was trying to show that what people didn't notice is that in every picture she posted, she was drinking. And it was a made up. It was almost like original Ar that was made up to prove the point that you can love someone, and you could think you're really close to them and you could think their lifestyle looks amazing, but actually, they've got a drink in every picture they post, and you didn't realize that an alcohol problem. So there was no real person who died. But the point was that, this...
Your friends could be struggling even when they're posting these beautiful lifestyle pictures, but are you aware? Wow. And are you conscious so how much effect? You And I can't can't remember who built with that that... The I think that's 1 of the problems with alcohol is that if you came out with alcohol right now.
If alcohol wasn't the thing to too. You like, I've invented this drink that is gonna make you like, either really happy or really aggressive or really stupid, and we're gonna just sell it to the masses, and Who would be like, now mate keep your funky jeans slow. We don't want the how that sounds terrible. And it's 1 of those things because it is so socially acceptable. The the dick side of it.
Bad sides of it really do fly under the radar. Yeah. And that's really interesting. I tell you something I do love about being a non drinker. I love being the designated driver.
Yeah I love being that person that make sure that everyone gets home. I don't know. I just... I like being a dependable person. I I think I'm quite dependable, but I really like that.
That thing, and I saw this crazy Youtube video ones. This was years ago of a guy that went to a bar He got drunk, and he drove home, and he crashes car. And I don't know if this is real. It could have been fake, but it's really impactful. Basically, what his friend had done was set up the room as if he had been in a coma for, like, 10 years.
And his friend wakes up hours after the crash, and his friend is there, and he had all like old makeup up on to make him look older, And now I'm thinking about it. There's no way this could have been real because how would they have been able to pull that off. But he basically is saying to him like, you've been asleep for 10 years. Everyone's missed you, like, we I can't believe you awake. This is amazing, and it shows like, how a stupid decision like driving drunk can affect to the future of your life.
So I do love being the designated driver. It's something I enjoy. See if my friends have a good time. Like, don't worry, Tom will take you in. Yeah Yeah to III used to have been the Designated driver and until I realized that next girlfriend just had me do that because I was the wanted to get that.
Right. That wasn't a fun designated mayor driver job. But I've always been that guy since... Because... So I I lived as a monk for 3 years.
Yeah. Nice And when I came back after that, obviously I never went back to drinking a alcohol and everything. And so but I went back into the workplace. And I remember everyone would was open up to me and give me advice, but it's what you're saying when someone was drunk. They tell me their whole life, story.
Yeah. Next day did come go. You'd actually remember what I said. I remember everything mandela, please don't telling me. Like yeah.
Yeah. You know. I love I love that part where I was like, I was able to be there for people. Just hear their stories. A hundred percent someone that had context the next day because if they told someone else who was drunk, you'd both not remember then It'd be gone.
No. I I think the benefits that you just pointed out of good sleep, good health, Right mental clarity. Socially huge, but there's a couple of things I wanna point out if everyone is listening just as takeaways because Tom makes it so seamless when you're talking about It's really beautiful as well. But 1 of the things you mentioned was finding alternatives. Mh.
And, during my life, we always talked about how there was there was something that we called the higher taste. And it was saying you can never give up a lower taste unless you add a higher taste. Sure. And so there has to be a switch. There has to be replacement.
A of fact that you found alternatives. I think that's... Half the battle. Sure. Because most of us are trying to take something out of our lives, and then you're just trying to fill it.
Yeah. And then you have to go back to what you had books for because you're not finding a replacement. So that was beautiful. And the second thing you said which I loved, which was having this conversation and dialogue with other people someone who's 1 year ahead of you. Someone who's 10 years ahead, 20 years ahead who's gone through that process, and they're open and honest and vulnerable about You know what?
I did have a weak moment or you know what? This was really tough for me. And I think having those communities where you can talk about these things, makes some massive difference. If anyone struggling, I hope that those 2 things can kind of, you know, give you the support you need. And again, it goes back to the message of of the show is that, like, you should ask for help.
Yeah. And you should fill in power to do so. Yeah. But tell me about your monk life, like, it must have been amazing. Respect.
I've always been so tempted to go away and do 1 of those retreats where you know, you go to somewhere like India and you go to those places we don't speak for a month or something like that. Like, that must have just been the most enlighten experience. Mate now that you've said that, when when you wanna go, I'm gonna take you Please. When. Absolutely loved to guy.
I met a guy. I was on holiday earlier this year, and he had just got back from a retreat. He did 2 weeks. Where he didn't make a sound. Mh.
And was just explaining to me how Eye opening it was. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I mean, to me, it was 1 of the best experiences in my life because even the stuff that I did then, I was 22 years old when I did it.
Even the stuff that I did then, I don't even know if I'd be able to do it anymore now, But there was such a, like, energy you had is a 22 year old Sure. Just opened to any experience in wanting to try it all out amazing. And I think for me it was because... And it comes back to the people that Have done things. When I was 18, was when I first met a monk.
I I never really knew what Monks did or sure. Any of their practices. But I met a monk who I write about in my book who just blew my mind because he was the first person I met that I felt was at ease with himself. And when I was 18, I'd met people who were like rich and famous and you know, beautiful and powerful and all this type of stuff, but I don't think I'd met anyone who's truly happy and with themselves, not happy like, oh, I'm so happy. Life's amazing.
I mean more like happy with peace was they saw who they were yeah yeah totally. And for some reason at 18, that kind of light wasn't... Arrow straight to my heart I was like, that's that's real Like, I want that. And it just it's so hard to explain because everyone's was like, well, how did you know that? 18, I was like, I don't know it must have been how powerfully was.
It's kind of like, it's kind like you wake up when when the sun's out and the lights out and you just wake up because you you feel that energy. And I felt it through him, and then I I went to university and I'd talked to him and I'd meet him in the summers and Christmas. But I just decided I was like I wanna do this because I'd met... Someone who I felt had emotional and mental mastery in a way that I've never seen before. Wow.
And so when I went out there and whether it was the meditation training it's or whether it was the simplicity training of the lifestyle or whether it was the the the teachings and the values that you had to live by I just got so... I got so much from it that I honestly believe that anything that I'm good at doing today is because of what I learned during that time. Yeah. And so anything I'm good at today is because of that. Do you think that you found what he had?
Yeah. So. And I would say that or hasn't. He yeah right yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And I still see him every year. Amazing. And he still has it. Like, yeah.
Yeah. It's like, swag like, it doesn't go yeah. He still has it. And, yeah. Definitely.
Definitely. I got a glimpse into it. Obviously, he's been doing it for, you know, nearly 30 years. And Yeah. I only did it for 3.
But you still get to a a glimpse of it. You got an experience of it. So you know that it exists. Right I think that's half the battle too. Like, even with your sobriety.
It's like, you just need to know it exists totally. And then you're like, wow, there's this other side, hundred percent and even though it's a challenge and even though I'm still trying to be more mindful every day, and I'm still working on myself because it's of course. Isn't I noticed. Yeah. It's ongoing thing.
Yeah. I know don't... And I take a lot of friends and and people I know 1 retreats there because just a couple of years ago, I took someone that Love to... I 1 of the caves in R. So 1 of the things I love about caves is that they're equally dark and silent.
Yeah. So it's almost like the first time. Like, we could be silent in this room would be silent, but the silence of a cave. It's just different level. Yeah.
And so when you go in there then, you can't see anything either. So you can't even see yourself. So you're so deep into the cave that there's no light from the mouth of the cave. There's no light from the mouth of the cave. Oh, I don't know about that.
That rings just. No. You hold hands that. Yeah. Hold.
But it's it's just... It's 1 of those experiences that you actually get to experience. Real stillness, and real silence and real real disconnection. Sure. From everything around you, and then you can actually listen to yourself.
It's interesting. Yeah. I I would love to do something like that. Something that I find myself doing a lot is... If I see a beautiful landscape or something, I will try and see if I can find an angle of it where there's nothing man made.
In the view? Because... You know what it's like like you see a beautiful hair or something and there's a telephone pole in the middle of it or a lamp post or something. So doing something like that where there is nothing, but just or mother nature and the silence and being with yourself. I'm obsessed with nature.
It's 1 of my biggest passions. I'm absolutely like, this new our planet shows just come out. 1 sitting. I've done the whole thing. So I would love to do something like that.
So next time you're go in. Yeah. No. I Yeah. Figure it out.
No. Where's where's the place that I love Nature too. I I just took my... Me and my wife just went to Bali. Oh.
I love Barley. Yeah. And it was unbelievable. We went white water rafting, and it almost felt like. Jurassic park.
I was just waiting for a dinosaur had fuck And it was just beautiful. Was so lush it was so natural though these bali. Waterfalls everywhere and Another place that I've loved Nature India, of course, we we mentioned, but Iceland. I'd love to go to Iceland a few years ago, and my friend was filming a... Documentary out there.
Mh. And so I got the experience with the documentary travelers, and we went to a real glacier, and we went to amazing. You know. And and it was incredible to just It was the first time I felt like I'd landed on another planet. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Was just... I literally... I was like, this looks like nothing I've ever seen before in my life.
Like, I'm on another... Like, I I could've have Yeah. I could have gone into out of space and landed or another. There's reason why every single space film, Iceland is the first on the list. For locations.
Oh is that fine? I don't know that... I think interstellar probably nice with glacier they're sorry. So I'm sure all of those films. Yeah.
Because you could do you you could do mars. You could do Venus all in, you know, in Iceland. I would love to go. I don't know. We were thinking about films doing some climbing, and I'm not sure about how I feel about glaciers and walking across them and just falling and never being found.
Yeah. We we walked across them, and, obviously, there were teams there. Sure. But and then they had an ex... But they went down into the glacier, like, they went into 1.
Like, And it was and it was really scary because while we were walking on the glacier, we've got... I forgot the 1 those little boots are called the ones with the kind of, like, a little prongs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But forgot they called But anyway, we had those on. And Crap ons. Crown. Crown mask Cramp coupons. Okay.
Clap on. Thank you for there, Jack. And so we're wearing these cramp coupons and and literally it was, like, 3 steps further, and you're you would have fallen, and you don't see it. And you would be found. Never you'd never be found.
You never know and it'd be like that movie. What's it a hundred and 26 hours yeah guy to sore his own arm. Hundred and 26 hours by in 10 minutes. The items Yeah. No.
I... That that's a bit too far for me. Well, If you went with a group of, you know, experts and all the rest of it. There. You've seen the documentary.
Sometimes the experts go out and it's a 1 it's a 1 way story. They don't ever come back. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No. You got you gotta be careful. I agree. I I'll show you some videos later this.
Because it was probably love to. Yeah. It was pretty spectacular. It it's really amazing. No.
I I love I love that with your journey with Sabrina. And and again, the other thing we were talking about this earlier going back to it was you decided to take a break from acting. Yeah. Because you were doing this role is is really tough and challenging Mh. And and you like you need some time.
And again you were saying that that was mis. And I just... Before we dive into why you needed to take a break and and what was challenging about it. I just wanted to... Just...
If you wanted to give context that, and you don't have to, but if you wanted short to clarify what you meant and what was going on there. It's only a break from acting because I'm an actor. Yeah. It's not like the acting itself. I just have been so lucky that in my life.
I've been working so much. I just wanted to take a break. I just wanted to be in 1 place for a while. I want to be with my friends, be with my family, move into my house. So it wasn't necessarily...
Oh my god. I need to have a break from acting because it's too much. I just needed to have a break from traveling and and working and and Also, I've done so much of my growing up on the road. I needed to do a lot of growing up at home, pay my water bill, paying my... Counsel tax and sorting out my bins and all that sort of stuff that they don't teach you at school, which I think there should be a lesson.
I think there should be a lesson at school that's called life, which is like laundry, basic cooking, like, I didn't realize you had to pay for water. I just thought that was a luxury of living in England. Yeah. What comes out this... Sky and then it comes out your tap.
I was so behind in my water bill. I didn't realize. I'm up to date now. Don't worry. So, yeah, I just wanted to take this break and it's a shame again talking about the press and how they can spin things.
It's a shame that this year off has come after this incredibly hard job, and and that they kinda ran with this idea that, yes, the show did break me. And, yes, it was difficult, but I could have gone back to work. I was always planning on taking this break after this job. So thank you for giving me the time to sort clarify that. I am loving having time off and going back to work is something that isn't really on my radar yet.
I'm just loving being with my family and my friends and and enjoying, you know, the fruits of my labor a little bit and and traveling and seeing the world, loving because you know, we get to see the world for work, but it's different. Yeah. You know, going off of your own accord and and and seeing these places and meet people is... Is what I love. I'm very social, which is 1 of the things I found so difficult about giving alcohol is because I was like, that's my key to my social life, And then I realized I was like, no.
You're just actually naturally a really social person. The alcohol is just an additive to that. Yeah. So to get rid of it. So, yeah So my my my year off has been amazing, I'm loving it.
I'm 6 months, 7 months into intimate now. I have a job to go to, but, you know, obviously, we're going through this right strike right now. Yep. We're unsure as to where we are. I'm hoping that, you know, the writers can make a deal and we'll be looked after as they should be because it'd be great to get back to work, but I'm in no rush.
You're really loving some time at home. Yeah. Because how old are you know? 27. Yeah.
And so if you've been working since you a 9 or at least my layer on into your teens. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think people forget there.
And I a coach personally, a lot of musicians in Who go tour a lot. Sure. And I just finished a 40 city world tour for my second book. And we did like 40 cities, maybe in, like, 75, 80 days, maybe. Like, it was intense.
So we went all over the world. We did like, fifteenth and anything like that. So 10. Did 15 cities in the Us, and then 25 cities around the world. And so we did everyone from Paris, Amsterdam Berlin, Melbourne.
Yeah we did 3 shows at the Sydney opera house, Brisbane, did Singapore did 5 shows in India did Dubai. Wow So it was... It... It was amazing. Had 1 of the best experiences of my life.
At the same time, I was reflecting on my music clients who have to do a hundred hundred and 50 shows. Mh. A lot of them pull out of doing their tours. A lot of them announce... Kind of, like you're saying I took a break.
Sure. A lot of them will announce and say, you know what guys I can't I can't finish. I can't do it anymore. And it's really interesting because I messaged some of them straight away saying, I always could understand why you needed that. Sure.
Now I actually have... Actual empathy for you. Hundred percent... Because now I'm on the road, and I can see how displacing it is. Sure.
And I'm older, and I have a certain set of skills that help me with that based on my monk life and all the rest of it. But I got... I can imagine if you've been touring since you were 15 years old, which is what a lot of these artists have died. Yeah. You've...
Like, you just said you grow up on the road. Sure. And then all of a sudden, you're like, well, who am I and Who are my friends and and what is my life? And now that I pay is my friend and that's the only friends I have. And totally.
You know. And so it's really interesting how when you get a little glimpse into someone's life. And then on my... The last show I had was in Barcelona. In the.
Yeah. It was amazing. At the night before my last show, Live Nation who was doing my show there. They also do... Cold place tour.
And they were like, do wanna come to cold watch Cold cola I Right. I'd love to watch Cold. So in the night before to towards Cold. Unbelievable. They did 4 sold out shows of 65000 people each night in Barcelona.
And Chris, I went towards the fourth mate and Chris Martin and the crew were just unbelievable. Yeah. And then I found out is the 80 ninth show. And Was thinking gosh. Like, it is so hard.
Like, it's just so hard and all their families are with them and traveling with them and all the rest of it. So I wanna touch on that with you as well that walk us through because I've talked about this with actors offline, and I don't think Fully done it online. And so if you're willing to go there that I'd really appreciate it. Sure. When you're playing a role.
I think as a viewer, we massively underestimate how hard acting is, especially when the role. Is the kind of role that you're playing in the crowded room. Yeah. I I think we just underestimate it as a view, and I'm fortunate enough to know enough actors offline where I've had these conversations before whether whether it's people who do method acting or whether it's people who, you know, really try and get into character, like you always hear about the stories of, like, how Jared let already was becoming the joker was sending people rap. And human feces in their mail, like, literally like what.
If you send me human feces in my mail, there'd be trouble. Won't be putting up with that. Yeah. You you and enjoy In a boxing. Yeah There'll be a box moving then.
Yeah. But but, you know, the idea of, like, I think I think as viewers, we don't re... It's what I'm saying is like, when I went on tour, I was like, I get it. I get it now. As viewers, we don't get it because we don't really hear about the deep.
Process that actors go through of getting into a role, playing someone with multiple personalities. Like, you know, that... I don't know. It is that Is that tough or is it... Or is that not as...
Am Getting it wrong, and that's not actually the tough part? You're definitely not getting it wrong? I think it's just different. It's case by case, you know, There are people like? Jared, who who dive into their roles, and they do things like sending people dead rats and stuff like that.
And they think that that's what they need to do. I've always been really good at Separating my onset emotions from my personal life emotions. As a young kid, I used to really heavily rely on my personal emotions to get them to come across on screen, and I just found it really unhealthy. I just found that, like, the line between my life and my car life would be blurred and ultimately, at the end of the experience of making the film, I would be a very different person, but not because of my experiences as his Tom, it would be because of my experiences as my character. So I decided very early on to find certain technique, in certain ways to get into those emotions from a sort of technical point of view.
I never sit on set and think about my my mom getting sick or my... Or never speaking to my brothers again or something like that. I never blur the lines with my personal life and my work life. I always leave work at work. There are jobs like the crowded room that are particularly taxing, getting to those emotions on a daily basis.
Is really difficult and really tiring. But, you know, it's probably somewhat like cold play on that 80 ninth show. You just dig your heels in. You realize you've got a job to do we're all wonderfully well paid. There are people that work far harder for far less, I recognize how lucky I am.
So I'm like, if I need to cry today and tomorrow and the next 50 days in a row, I'll do so. Yes. It's difficult, but I think your question, I'm probably the worst person to ask that. Because I think I have, like, a really healthy outlook on how I achieve my emotions on set. Yeah.
But I have worked with people that shut their bedroom door and just dive into the character and Are pouring through the script every night and and are in character all the time, and I admire them. I don't necessarily think it's the healthiest way to go about it. But, yeah, I've always been really strict to myself to leave my work at work. Obviously, I come home and read the script and do all of my prep work. But I'm not.
I'm leaving the character at work because it's too. It's too much, especially when you're playing a character like like Danny from the crowded room, like, you can't bring that into your personal life. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that... But I'm actually glad Asked it to you either way because what I'm actually hearing is you did it early on, and you saw it wasn't healthy. Sure. And so you actually found another way. Yeah.
And and it's really interesting because a lot of people may not have found another way or that is their way and that is their method. Mh. And so it actually is interesting hearing it from your perspective. Because you're actually saying, yeah. I could have gone down that road.
Sure. I could see the dangers with it. Right. And and obviously, depends on the rolls too. Sorry.
You're gonna... No It's just it's my acting coat. Ben Perkins was my acting coach on my first film, and that film's really, really emotionally intense. And we started off by doing things like Can you imagine, you know, your mom passing or can you imagine things like that? And I would cry instantly.
Yeah. And he was the 1 that actually recognized at a point? Can this is too much for this young kid to kinda take. So he devised these exercises where him and I could kind of have... These fake arguments where I was as a 12 year old, Oh, maybe Was older than that.
13 year old could recognize that they were exercises, and I would allow the emotion to kinda come from these kind of acting techniques. Let's call it. So it it's was actually Ben that was the 1 that switched my... My mindset. I can't take credit for that.
Yeah. So you you live in la? Yeah. So I moved to La, 5 years ago. Yeah.
And I moved to the state 7 years ago. So I was in New york for the first 2. Where about a New york way. I was on 20 third street near flat lion. A Okay.
Nice. So, yeah. It was good in in Manhattan and moved with my wife. We made married for 7 years amazing together for 10. Fantastic.
And Yeah. It was it's just been really interesting there. It's like, did you ever end up moving? Did you ever live in la or at all? Or in the Us at all?
Or have you always been in London? Sort of what we were talking about earlier. I've kind of lived all over the place. I've lived in La. I've lived in New York.
I've lived in Atlanta. You know, I've lived in Cleveland, which was amazing. Yeah. So I I really like spending time in the states. Yeah.
Which is obviously Cra room we did a year in New York. Yeah. We moved to drive back. We started off in midtown. A midtown for me was a bit of a nightmare.
All the schools are. So I come home from work, and I come outside and it's like, all the biggest Spider man fans ever seen me like It's like the worst playing a nightmare the kids we moved out to Tribe back to this amazing apartment, which was really lovely. We're very lucky to be down there. But Yeah But where... So how you find La?
I... So you know what? It's really interesting because when I... I moved to New York first. Yeah.
And I loved it. I found New york to be just. A bigger, crazier London. Sure. A bit more intense.
Yeah. Yeah Yeah. And I love London. I'm I'm a London boy through through. I went to university here, and my my family still here.
My wife's family is here. Amazing. And so... But but I enjoyed New York. My wife didn't love New York, and also at the same time, I I started spending more time in La for work.
And my wife and I just, like, fell more in love with each other when we were there. And so that's... What it was that draws there. It wasn't really... Everyone that I?
Was it korea and I was like. To be honest, we went there for a month for work. And and we rented an apartment because we're gonna be there for a month. Mh. And we're living together there, and we just loved living with each other there, Home is where the heart.
Yeah. Exactly. And so we were like, alright. We love it here. Why don't we pack our bags and move across.
And so we went back in New York 2 months later. We moved over to La. So it wasn't even, you know, And now we've been there for 5 years and the truth is that I I was really intentional when I moved somewhere. So while I'm building my purpose and my work in my career, which absolutely love what I get to do every day, and III could never have dreamed of doing what I do to him. Super grateful.
But at the same time, I was really intentional about building community. In family. Mh. And it was like an actual, like, thought process. Sure I was like, as well as you're always building the people you know at work.
You was building relationships, you're hiring employees and team members and everything. At the same time, I've got to think about actually making friendships because Yeah. In London, I've got all my mates. So Got the my best man in my wedding I've been made with rods for, like 17 years. Like, I've got people around me, but La I don't have that.
I don't have any family, any friends. I don't know anyone with And so I really made an effort now after 5 years, I can honestly say, you know, obviously, not in a wonderful way, but the pandemic did help deepen some of those friendship. Because I was stuck with those people. So Only could go deeper, Made some really good friends. Nice.
And so I feel happy there. And I feel really connected to my purpose there, and at the same time I love coming back to London. Right? And hanging out with my mates. And so I've...
And me and my wife made a decision when we moved. That we would never say we lived anywhere. We would just be allowed to go wherever we wanted to. So whenever my wife misses London, she's back on a flight to London. Right.
She'll come live here for 2 months. And come back whenever she wants. Amazing. And and it's the same for me. And that kind of like, not having a rule around, you know, obviously, we're lucky to have that choice.
That's an amazing luxury to hack. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. And but, yeah.
IIII share the same kind of outlook on it. You know, I I couldn't really say I live anywhere. I sort of live where the work is and when I'm not working, and I'm either here or in La. Yeah. And I'm so lucky to be able to sort of call the world my home.
I just go wherever the the win takes me. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But that's glorious, man, man.
Yeah. It's been good it's been good for me. And swing good to me. And and I think with... Because of the work I do, it very clearly lets people know whether I'd connect them or not I feel like my work is so obviously, 1 way.
Sure. That it's very easy because not everyone wants this and their life so it's kind of easy for people to be like, I'm not gonna make any effort joke. Gonna make lots of their again. So it kinda makes it very easy because my work is me. Do you find because of what you do and you're Skill set and your experiences and your life is a monk, that people unload on you a lot.
Yes. Right, like, you might meet a new person, and they're sort of saying, well, I'm feeling this way, and I I would love to try and get to a place of enlightenment, like, that must happen to you a lot. Yes. Yeah. A lot.
It can I can have another the? Train says you're on a plane. It gonna happen anywhere in the world. Yeah. And do you welcome those conversations?
Do you like having those sorts of conversations? So I think it depends where we are. Sure. And and it depends where it is and I always say to people boys as a disclaimer that I don't want to give you the belief. That I can solve your life in 30 seconds.
Right. Or that I could ever solve your life for you. Totally. Just to be really clear that and I always say that to people because people Jay, tell me what I need to do, and I'll be like, look, I just wanted to be fully aware that I'm happy to share some insights with you, but I don't have the power. Or gift, or magic.
Right. To transform your life, and nothing I can say in 30 seconds I don't even want to take that responsibility on because we should really think about this, like, you should reflect on your life, like, especially when people are making big decisions where it's like, Jay, should I break up? Should I move country? Should I do this And I'm like, we're not solving this in 30 seconds. But.
This is a bigger compliment. Yeah. And and I like people... That takes the pressure off me, but it also takes the pressure off then. Yeah.
Because a lot it's not even about me. This is about the fact that that person needs to make a really important decision. And they're putting all the pressure of their life on that moment. And actually, I'm saying, well, let's just take it off, and here's a few things I want you to reflect and think about. Sure.
And I know that would help you, and you'll figure it out. And so, yeah, I I welcome them because I... Appreciate that I don't feel that I'm the 1 holding space. Mh. And I don't believe that I'm the 1 who has the power to holds.
Space. I believe that the universe holds space, I believe that energetically, that space is held for others. And I don't feel I'm this powerful human being whose who's the 1 that everything rests on. Sure. And has the answer to everything.
And I think that's what allows me to be liberated from it. Yeah. Or. I'm not like, I also don't put the pressure on myself going. Got up better so the most perfect being for this.
I've bet changes person's life. Yeah. And I can't. And I don't And I think once upon a time, I probably did feel that way. Like, when you're when you're immature and you're in amateur in your work, you almost feel like you have to have all the answers.
And I'm like, you know what I don't and it's fine and actually, people really appreciate it or you just chat to them and Yeah. You know. And so, yeah. And and, again, you know, I'm I'm always happy to listen to someone when I can. Obviously, there's sometimes and I'm, like rushing late for a bla or Yeah.
Yeah. No. I'm trying to get through hour or whatever. And I can't I can't do it. Sure.
But Always stop and say, hello. Give phone hug. Yeah. So I don't answer your question but... Not absolutely it does.
Yeah. I guess what's... What you're saying about making decisions. Something that I am constantly battling with myself is the inner battle between my gut and my brain. I know that's sounds really weird.
No. Lights real. I go with my gut a lot. I'm very very... I I think a lot of the decisions I make in life are very sort of instinct.
I don't like to be bombarded with... Evidence and facts and all that sort of stuff. I just like to feel a certain way about how I would like something to sort of trans can be taking a film, accepting a script, doing a business deal, buying a house? Like it's all sorts of different things through your monk life. Did you feel like you would rely on your kind of inner instincts rather than like, getting the evidence of...
This is gonna make you this much money or if you do that, these are the risks How do you... Where do you stand with that sort of thing? That the most poorly worded question? But you know why I me. No.
No Mate mate. I think both... I I think this has been Ce. Conversation that is what a question sounds like in a conversation Right. And I've I I think I've asked you fairly poorly worded questions today as well, but I think that's what real community communicate.
Yeah. Wrong. Then let me. I've got question word right. But...
No. IIII get where you're saying, and if I go on the wrong track, let me know. But living as a month, you're trained to understand that everything exists in a certain mode. And so I'll explain what that means. And so in the monk philosophy, there are 3 modes, and the modes are the mode of ignorance, the mode passion, and the mode goodness.
And it said that every decision, every thought every action, every intention, every relationship can be in the mode of ignorance, mode passion, or mode goodness. Every And the mode of ignorance is where your relationships or any act is based on insecurity or fear. So when you're doing something out of fear or you're doing out of insecurity or you're doing out pressure, that's considered the mode of ignorance. And energetically, we all feel that. Right?
Let you know whether you be I would know whether you were being forced to do this interview today, Sure. Out of out some sort of fear or some sort of whatever maybe. The mode passion is where... You're doing something because you want a certain result. You're doing it just for the reward.
You're doing it just because it's gonna get you what you want. It's gonna get you to the goal. Okay. And so that's considered the mode passion. And again, energetically, you can tell that when someone has an agenda or...
Right. Someone something out of you've come to get my point across on something or... Right Totally. And then finally, the mode of goodness is the energy of, like, I feel really at peace. I feel really ease.
This feels aligned with my values, and therefore it feels like the right decision. And so we were trained to sense energetically where things felt like the mode of ignorance, motor passion or mode goodness, which was a really helpful framework because sometimes things were really hard to just sense without knowing where it's sat in terms of a characteristic. That's so interesting. And so that was really, really helpful at the time. And so I find that I'm I'm the same as you where I make decisions energetically.
Yeah. But I think having moved into the real world again. I felt that I had to start getting used to understanding other elements. It's kind of what you'd mentioned earlier, which I loved, which was like, I wish they had a class on life at school because it's like you haven't paid your bill and, you know, you'd, you know, there's football players not paying their taxes or whatever it maybe and like, that may be for different reasons. But, anyway, you get the point.
That there's some things that you just don't know. And so what I've started to do and I've I've said this a few times and that's where it's a little formula that I use. When I sit down with someone, whether it's business whether it's relationships, whether it's work, even whether it's this, the first thing is always energy, That's my first gate that I that I wanna get through. And if I don't feel energetically aligned with someone, then already there's no future here. Like it's not going.
Wow. And then the next thing I look at is strategically if it's business. So if it's personal it's only energy. But if it's business, I look at, well, I like this person energetically, Do I think they're strategically aligned with where this has to go? Like, do I think they can actually implement this do I believe Because A lot of people have great energy Sure.
They don't have to implement anything. Yeah. And then finally, I look at well, does the money align? Does the monetary value align with the energy and strategy. Sure.
That's been my business version of what I loved learned as a among. So what you're saying then, that is a combination of both. Correct. Allowing, like, your gut, your energy to kind of allow yourself to pursue further, the opportunity. Yeah.
And then you take a sort of mental look at it to be like, I'm accepting the opportunity from a emotional point of view, now I need to see if it makes the sort of logical sense. Correct. And if it doesn't, then we're gonna stop there again. Right right. Exactly.
So I've I found that more useful for me. Mh. Because I found that energetically, I I can get excited about a lot stuff. Yeah. I'm the same.
Yeah. Like... And I'm and I'm that kind of person. And again, I never wanna block that. Sure.
At the same time, I think we have to become more selective with our opportunities and know when to say no. And. Know how to manage stuff, and that's at least help me. Sure. So, again, I'm not saying anyone else has to live like that them.
Just... Know That's Interesting. It's really interesting. Oh, I am very much like go off my gut. Yeah.
I tell you what my mom is an unbelievable judge of character. Wow. And I think she might have without knowing what you're talking about where she can pick up on people's energies. Yeah. Because we could meet a new person as a family.
We've met this new person. 3 of us could love this new person and another 3 could not like this new person And my mom will be like, no. But no. Don't like that person. And then within 6 months, all of us like, remember that person that we have already good friends with for a little bit.
She's really got a keen eye for people that we would get along with. Yeah. She's amazing like that. Mum are like that. Now that you say that all my mates who let me down when I was a teenager.
Mom out. Yeah. Absolutely time. And I was like, mom know they're my best friend. I'm never gonna leave them.
They're like, a brother to me, and they're like, 7 months later, the person stab in the back. And then you're like, yeah like, you know. But the good thing about moms is they wouldn't judge you for it. Yeah. Yeah.
They're like, look, I told you, but... Yeah. To make your mistakes. Yeah. Exactly.
Exactly. But I... It's interesting that you've been able to hold on to that. I love that. Do you feel like you were asking me about moving to La.
And I I think what have you felt? And there's a part that's obviously wanting to be back in Kingston be back to. Are. Have you felt that there's been parts of yourself that have been challenged? I don't feel sitting with you today that, you know, I I don't know you before I don't know you after I've only met you today.
So I... I can't judge who you are or what you enjoy I all I can say is that when I'm sitting with you today, I feel like I'm sitting with an authentic individual and your energy comes across very easily. Thank you. Do you feel like you've had to hold on to that at times with opportunities challenges, the industry or or is that all... Stuff that we kinda make up in our heads, and it's actually just be yourself and you're fine.
I really don't know the answer to that question. I I I've definitely walked away from a lot. And I think had I not walked away from certain situations. Let's just put it at that. I would be a very different person today.
I've been really good at keeping in touch with my friends, keeping my family close listening to the lessons, not getting caught up in the Hollywood hype. Look, I really am a massive fan of making movies, but I really do not like Hollywood. It is not for me. The the business really scares me. I understand that I'm a part of that business, and I enjoy my kind of interactions with it.
But that said, I am always looking for ways. To kind of remove myself from it to kind of just live as normal life as possible. Today, doing this is a very rare thing for me to do, like, to in London to come in and speak to someone about my life is something I would not typically do. But because I'm a fan of yours. And I was keen to kind of Here what you had to say and and chat to you today, I felt like this would be a safe space for me to do that.
But, yeah, I definitely think it has been an ongoing thought, which is don't lose yourself. I've seen so many people come before me and lose themselves, and I've had friends that I've grown up with. That aren't friends of mine anymore because they've lost themselves to this business. And I just am I'm really, really keen to focus on what makes me happy, which is my family. It's my friends.
It's my carp tree, my golf. The charity that my mom runs, like that is the stuff that makes me really happy and that's the stuff that I should protect. My relationship is the thing that I keep most sacred. I don't talk about it. I I try my best to keep it as private as possible.
We both feel very strongly that is the healthiest way for us to to move on as a couple. So I do try to keep as removed from it as possible. Like, you'll never see me at an award show but I don't have to be at. I'm never going into a red carpet event that I'm not in the film. You know?
I don't want the attention when I don't need it. I love the spotlight. I love the pressure that comes with it. Just watched that tennis documentary breaking point. You gotta it.
It's amazing. I never realized how brutal tennis was. I've always been a huge tennis lover. I am now absolutely in awe of what those athletes go through. But there's a quote from Billy G and King that's on the...
I stand at her stadium in New York that says pressure is a privilege. And that is so true like, oh my god. Feeling pressure on a daily basis in the capacity that we feel is such a privilege. I love feeling pressure. I feel like I thrive under pressure.
The best goal I've ever played in my life. Is when there are cameras around and people are watching. I just think that that is a real amazing thing to be able to experience. So I enjoy it while I can, And then when it becomes a bit much, I kind of become a bit of a rec and I disappear, I come back to Kingston, I play golf I play tennis, so I hang out with my friends and my family, do the pub quiz. And and all that sort of stuff.
Yeah. So... Yeah. So it is something I actively try to do as I get older, It only gets easier. Yeah.
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And I I can I can relate to that we're in in my in my small way or in my world where a lot of my friends think like, I'm in, always at events always a pies? I'm I'm not I'm like, bed by 09:30PM.
Right. And I only live there because it works for me in in the world that I do and what I do and sure. And and I enjoy living in La. But It's it... I don't live there for Hollywood.
And I think that's often the perception as well oh, you're all Hollywood. And I'm like, well, no not really. Like, I I don't read... I don't really go to all the events and gatherings and stuff, unless I need to be there or sure I'm connected to a project. So so I relate to that.
What what you mentioned a few things there, but If I had to ask you as Tom, when do you feel most to yourself? Like, when do you feel most connected? Or and what are you trying to reconnect to if you're like, well, I know what it is, but I'm still figuring it out again. I think when I feel most myself is to do my relationships, I'm gonna leave that and not so about that. Absolutely.
But I think the other thing, and this is such a stupid thing, but it's when I'm playing good golf. Like, there's something about... How got... Golf is the most humbling sport in the world. It who you are.
Doesn't matter how much money you've got how successful you are, golf will bat you no matter who you are. And I love that's what I love about it. You know, You... It's such a leveling sport. I love going to a golf course and meeting new people that I've never flavors before, playing around a gulf.
I struggle when I don't play badly. Like, I've got a bit of a temper and, like, you're supposed to have 14 in your bag. I currently have 9, and you could probably guess why. But I I just love being outside. I've always been an outdoors person I love being on the golf of course.
I love my mates. They all love playing golf. That there's just something about the challenge of shooting lower than your lowest score that really kind of takes my mind off of the work. The interesting thing about Golf is that you could be having a terrible day, you could be really upset about something. And if you play really well, you can completely forget about it.
If you play really badly, you then are playing badly because of what's happening outside of golf. It's like a really weird kind of catch 22, I guess. Yeah. But I love it. I think when I'm playing good golf when I feel most like myself.
Yeah. Wow. That's an. That's a unique concept, but I get it. Yeah.
Yeah. I've only ever played golf like, twice in my life. Right. And I totally get the point of how mumbling it is is... Horrendous.
No matter how quickly you pick up other things in life. Golf is not 1 of those things that you pick up that easily. You can sign the biggest deal of your life and go out to play golf to celebrate, and it'll ruin your day. Like absolutely ruin. No glad to play golf to sell them No.
Never go out to celebrate to No crazy. That do you play do still playing sport? I love playing football when I'm back here. Okay. So that's 1 of the things.
My mates to know that when I'm back. In London. Okay. We're gonna play again. You play?
Well, we'll just... We we will just play in, like, a 7 side pitch with, a 5 side pitch like close to. Yeah. Yeah. West London, which is where most my mates us.
So like, not stand more Edge, What. That's like we're all my. And so we'll just go rent pitch kick a ball about. I'm not any good anymore. Sure.
I still got the full kit in the site. Yeah. Lower I always looked dressed the fresh. I've actually got name ars kit, like from here. Oh, wow.
You best believe Our shoved to fiber side in his full kit. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Side by him too.
Yeah. It's not that's Yeah. That's just his kid. We went on a lads laptop holiday Portugal recently to play golf. And at the resort, we was staying at the the people were so nice.
I said, let's have an England versus Portugal football match. There was like toll I think there there's 8 of us, and there was a bunch of brits that were working at the resort. So they kinda joined our team, and we literally did England versus Portugal. It's a full sized pitch, We did 60 minutes, 30 minutes each way. I'm fit.
I train every day. I have so we love my fitness. I really, really, like, I'm into it. By the end, I could not make 5 paces without my legs cramp up. I they are so fit these football players.
It's unbelievable. And we won, and it's so funny how the first 10 minutes of the game was really friendly, like, soft sounds, sorry mate, like, your free kick and by the end, it was... Savage. It was really intense. Well, at least you won though.
We won... I got an assist. Okay. It's actually a glorious This as well actually I just... I ping the ball over the top.
My brother made a run, and it bounced, and he managed to get his foot to it and he chipped the keeper in score. It was... But there's no footage. No footage. No proof.
Yeah. No proof. Yeah. No proof. I sometimes think when the whole no proof thing, like, we had the craziest experience of my life here they I'll tell you about it.
Because of our lives are so crazy, like there's no... Why would I lie. But the other day, we went swimming with killer whales in Mexico. I said the other day it was last year. And it was 1 of the most humbling experiences of my life.
There's no proof of it. There's no evidence because it was so off the cuff. We weren't planning on doing it. Most people I tell a, you definitely didn't do that. But we we were in we were in Mexico, and we were on a boat.
And so we just so happened to see this pot of orc. Jack, my security guard I thought it'd be a good idea to jump in. He jumped straight in, flipper on, Goggles on. And we were driving to keep up with the whales because they were kind of following our boat. So by the time, Jack had jumped in, He was like this.
He was, like, a hundred meters away. And you could see him, and the whales were like swimming around him. So I'm just starting to freak out because he's a good friend of mine. And he's just security. And...
Security. I'm like, jack. We gotta get back to a home hotel. So I sent to the guy like, excuse me, sir. Can you turn around and go and get my friend because we now can't see him anymore, Like, he's gone.
We found him. We got him back in the boat, and he sort of said like lads, you have to get in. There is... It's unlike anything you've ever seen before. My brother Harry's like Googling whether or not it's safe to swim with them.
And it's sort of the general consensus online is don't go swimming with killer whales. You can. There's never been a recorded attack in the wild, but they are wild animals. No there as big as a bus, and also, Jack's giving it like, don't worry. I'll be there.
I'll look after I'm much. Jack. What are you gonna do bro? I what's this this whale on the size the Eat. So anyway, we put the flipper on put the Goggles was on.
We find the whales. They're sort of interacting with the back of the boat. They're clearly curious. And I just thought like, I guess it goes back to what you're saying, the mode of ignorance. I just was like, I'm gonna try it.
So what happens. I jumped in, my brother jumped in. Jack jumped in, we kind of came together with 30 miles out of the coast, so it's literally like dark blue water, nothing below us. And to my relief, the whales had gone. We couldn't see them.
So I'm sort of thinking Well, that's actually a bit of a touch. At least I can say I jumped in and they have gone. But then Jack said, looked down and we looked down and it came from beneath us. And what has been such an interesting experience for me. Was as soon as I saw the whale, I wasn't scared anymore because I could just tell that it wasn't gonna eat me.
You... I don't know I don't know how to explain it, but you could just see from its body language. I remember it's so vividly. It swam up to us. It was maybe 10 meters below us, and it was kind of motionless sort of just looking at us, and then it kinda rolled on its back.
And it did this weird thing where it kind of put its head like this. And you could see its eye, like, we were having this crazy, like moment, and then it just swam off, and it was gone. And then for 3 hours afterwards, I couldn't speak. I had the biggest adrenaline dump. I just basically was asleep.
It was such an amazing experience to sort of meet the Apex predator of the world, and it kinda look at you. And just... Swim away. Mh Most people don't believe me because I believe it. There's no evidence, but it was...
I think about it now. And then it's know it's so funny as well. I see these... I like our planet. There's there's more footage of Orc is hunting, and another way in which they hunt, there is no way I would do that.
Again. Yeah. No way Get in there again. But yeah. It was amazing.
Hearing you explain it is, like, you're so present. Yeah. That you can tell that you just you were so present in that moment like you stop thinking about, like, I will, you know, if I told this after that I gonna believe me, or whatever it is. You're just, like, wait a minute. Yeah.
You know, Nature makes you present like that. And and that's what I love about nature Is it's completely unbiased as well. I give that whale Or wanted to have a snack? Then, you know, it's not looking at you going, but that's a famous person. I gotta leave him alone or it just you are at 1 with mother nate.
We're in the middle of the ocean, There's nothing we could do, and we just were able to enjoy... Somewhat maybe like being in the cave, like you were saying. It was just about us and this whale, my brother and I were holding hands. But then as soon as it presented itself to us, any... Stress just dissipate.
And it was just this unbelievable experience, and it was so leveling. It was so humbling. That it makes me feel like I can take on certain things. It was... Honestly, even thinking about the experience that my heart is racing.
Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine. Yeah. It was it was wild.
Yeah. It was a cool. Unbelievable. That's that's an incredible experience. It is different from the cave though because I do think it's it's different when you're with another living being.
Sure. And so that's what I found, like my my closest. Experience to what you're talking about is I went trek with... Or looking for Mounting Gorilla, Rwanda last year. Oh, that's...
Have you been top of my list. I would love... Okay. Yeah. We we should it.
I would do that again any day because it was unbelievable. So you're not again, these gorillas are not like in a... Park or something. No. They're mounting gorilla they're in their world, and you go and look for them and there's no tagging devices or any tech there's people who have watched the gorilla for so many years that they know where their droppings are, they know where families hang out.
They know what their routines are. Depending on what time you're going out, there's someone who's just around them, who's calling their friend, calling your guide saying, walk this. This is where you got to go. Exactly. Just just to make it very, very clear that.
Know, the among... The girl is being treated very well. So you... You're literally looking around and you could be on the lookout for them for, like, 2 to 6... Hours.
Wow You may not find them. You're just hiking. So I love that there. You might not find it. You might not find them.
So we found them in 2 hours, 1 group that we heard about because you go in smaller groups of like 10. The other group that we were friends with, They took 8 hours to find gorillas, but they saw them too. And when I went, I was kind of like, oh, we're gonna see juan gorilla whatever. Of they're gonna be far away. Like I a bit skeptical because I didn't know how it was gonna be.
And it was incredible because we looked around for 2 hours, and I'll show you the video afterwards, but, like, We got and we just saw them like, hanging out, kind of like, how I'm looking at everyone here. Just hanging out still. And then all of a sudden, they all started walking together, and there was a family 20 gorillas. Wow. It's you got 2 silver backs that Are like, you know, they're like, they're fist are like, you know know just huge and you go.
Exactly. And and it was really interesting because the sides who were there with us, they said to us that when you go close to them kind of like. And this is why I remembered it and why I'm telling you it's because you were talking about the way the whale looked at you. Mh. And it was kind of like, you knew it wasn't gonna eat you.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so they were saying that when you get close to these gorillas, the only thing you can't do is You can't touch their kids and you can't touch. Them.
Yeah. So you can't drop something near their kids and then try get it back because they'll think you're trying to harm their kids... But what they recommended was, they said, you had to make this sound when you see them, and this sound means we come in peace. And so the sound was so that's you have to make that out. I was alright.
This some Disney stuff Yeah. I'm not believing this stuff. Like whatever like. I alright, I'm gonna play around with m. Yeah.
And so I'm walking around. So we go to the gorilla, and we get close to them, and I made that sound because we were told they will make that sound. And then the gorilla did it back. And it was just unbelievable, and then there was this 1 moment where we were walking, and we were literally surrounded by Gorilla. Now I was getting...
And that's when I was like, a bit, scared because they were like all around us. And like, literally, if they ran at you, like, I'm done. Right? You, nothing you can nothing nothing you can do. And so we're walking.
They're walking around us, and this massive silver bag came up... So I'm, my business manager was with me as well. And so he's there. He's like my godfather in... La.
He really looks. Takes care of. Like very close to him. And so this big this big gorilla that walks behind him, and I'm looking at. I'm going.
Oh man. Like he stopped, and we're all looking at them because it got this massive silver back behind him, And I'm... And we're all like, how do we tell them to move the guys that just be still like just, you know, be really present, like, you can't freak out. And the gorilla just went. Wow.
Behind them him. And they moved out the way and just walk fast. Wow. And it was just... It was that same presence that you're feeling that I felt with them, and that's what I mean that giving.
Being with another living being is is spectacular. So... Do you think that level of ease comes from? The helpless nature of being in the presence of an animal that could do to you whatever they want to. I think part of the reason why I felt so calm when the whale had come up was because there was nothing we could do, should it go sideways?
Yeah. And I think being almost finding that kind of inner piece of, like, I've made my mind. This is the choices I've made. I'm here now. There's nothing I can do.
It's almost like you should make peace with your choices, I guess? Yeah. I don't know. No. No.
No. I think that's... I think you've actually taken in it somewhere really beautiful me. I I think for me as well. It's...
Humility? Yeah. That's what... And, like, when you when you meet someone new, rarely are we humble? Sure.
We we often feel the pressure to be, like, or look at who I am or like Wrong. You know, or we're trying to create... Even if it's not out of ego, there's a certain sense of, like, wanting to gain people's light, and respect. Yeah. And you less people.
No matter what I do. This whale gorilla is not gonna like or respect me. Sure. So I better just be humble about it. And it peace you and it levels you.
And it levels you, and it and it allows that human being... That that being also, of course, it's not, you know, that course, we're not record... There's no... We're not recommending that you just go into these places. I want.
Yeah. Yeah. But the idea being that I do think there's something magical about nature where... Of humility is kind of nature's way. Mh.
And it is that what you're saying that when you're at peace with your choices, and you're at peace with here we are. Here I am. I can't do anything and guess what. It's okay. Right.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's somewhat sort of, like I've made a decision. If the decision is a mistake. You got live it.
Yeah. You made it? Yes. I wanna to talk about sports because I was think so... I play a lot of tennis, play a lot of football.
Love it. I'll play a lot of pickle ball now. You play like pickle because guys that's a become a theater anything. Yeah. But but I'm massively more into pad.
I don't even. I love paddle time. I love paddle Lot tennis. So I want that to blow up in the Us. But it's not going to.
So when I went to Dubai, and I went to Miami, and I went to Madrid because the big and Spain. Nate. Are they playing it here? Yeah. My local tennis club has got 2 courts.
No. I you can't book them. They're so sold out. Alright. Honestly, paddle tennis.
I love Tennis. Yeah. I think Tennis is 1 of the best sports in the world. Yeah. And I think that, you know, they are the highest performing athletes, some of in the world.
But it's really hard dennis. Yeah. Like, I find unless I'm playing with someone who's much better than me. I don't play well. Like, I really...
I I need to be chasing someone. Yeah. Paddle tennis is so social. It's it's easy to have great rallies. You still get the the the satisfaction of really smacking a ball.
Because pickle is it's all about placement and and trying to kind 1 up your opponent. Where is going at the kitchen and just eggs. Yeah. Why is it called a kitchen? I have no idea.
And I don't... That's... So I play pickle like paddle? Right. Because I'm I'm, like, no.
Would have not like, why? I do like pickle, but paddle tennis paddle amazing. Next up... Yeah. Yeah.
Paddle paddle is 1 of my favorite favorite I was in buy with a client for work for months, a couple of years back. I played it every day for 3 months. That's great. Just... Yeah.
It's the best workout, the most fun, like... Yeah. Time just flu is amazing, but I was bringing it back to sports because I was saying, Was saying, you know, you you personally tried to recruit and mbappe. For To. I did.
Yeah. And and I just thought that was amazing because I was like, I've never seen this ever happened before where, you know, someone's using their clout in the right way. Listen I saw him I'm a mad To fan, and I just thought now's is my chance, and he said, no. The deal didn't go through no signing bonus for myself. I'm That was a crazy trip that going into the ball door.
Yeah. We were there for Spider man, Spider Coming out. I'm not really sure how that was promo for spider man, But, like, it was part of our trip for some reason. But it was amazing meeting these players and and I admire them so much. It's incredible when you can notice other at athletes and other greatness.
And I see that at the top. We're all... We've talked a lot today about. And you're really good at this. Like, you really, I feel like I feel like you're quite tuned to, like, and observing greatness and, like, the 1 percent and and trying figure out what they're doing differently.
And I think that's 1 of the things I've definitely seen of the 1 percent is that there's a humility in that they have the ability to appreciate other people's greatness and skills and values and purpose, like, they're not looking at it going on the best of all time. Sure. There's a part of them. They they may have to say that for the cameras or they may have to say that before they go on the pitch, but actually if you talk to them, And you asked them about someone else? They'll be, like, yeah.
Best best player ever scene, like, they're incredible. And So who did you admire growing up and acting? Who you admire today? Like, who have been the people that? And maybe on a mindset level or maybe on a or or a performance level as well.
There are definitely performances of people that I look up. To. There there are the types of careers of certain actors that I really admire. There are also, like, the the types of lives that certain people lead that I really admire, and that I really had aspire to sort of be like, I tend to let all of my admiration go towards athletes I've just so blown away by what they can do under the pressure that they're under. Me as an actor.
I realized that my job is a high pressure job because it reaches millions of people. But that said, there are so many people that help me get to where I need to be. Mh. I get picked up. Someone makes me breakfast.
Someone writes the words that I'm supposed to say, someone chooses my costume. Someone does my hair and makeup. I someone sets the camera up. Ultimately, I walk on to set and I do my bit. But I'm a small part in a massive machine.
When you look at someone like Djokovic or Federer or, you know, this new A, you, or the golfers or or Lewis. Lewis is slightly different because formula is so much about the team in the car and all that sort of stuff. They have to do it themselves at a certain point. There's only so much help they can get. But then when they walk onto that court for the first time When they walk into the ring or into the Octagon, it's then by themselves.
They're under that amount of pressure, It's up to them whether they deliver or not. And I just have always been admire of seeing some of the greats, lose their winds streak and come back even stronger. I've always really been an admire of people that are able to do that. I think it's a fo when you see these wind streak of 50 and o and all that sort of stuff and you're like, well, that to me isn't what a champion is. A champion is someone who had it all, lost it all and got it right back again.
Mh. Tyson and fury story is a crazy 1. I'd love to see A aj come back and be on top again because I'd love to be alive to witness that legacy that he would leave behind. You know, I feel sorry for him what happened to him when he sort of seemed to really lose it a little bit in the ring when he took the microphone, and I'd love to see him back on top and to... To have some clarity and and to be a champion again because I admire him as an athlete.
So I saved most of my admiration for athletes. Musicians I love musicians. I see someone like Ed Sheeran. Yeah. 80000 people in the palm of his hand.
I think comedian are equally as talented, the ability that they can just go on stage and make people laugh. That is terrifying. Actors for me because it's what I do. Yeah. It's like, man You know?
Yeah. Yeah. I get I always saying I get what saying and and at the of the day, it's just it's it's taking what you can from from what Us aspire for. Right? Like, you you can take something from all these people.
Right. And what I love about is some of these people you know some of these people you don't, but I always say to people are listening and watching that you can be mentored by people you've never met. You're right. And I think that's a really important skill to gain because I think we live in a world right now where somewhat access become easier, and we always think we need access to people directly in order to learn from them, but you don't know everyone you've just mentioned, even though you may know a couple of them closely. And and same with me, like, I was really fortunate, you know, growing up as a teenager.
I got introduced to, like, Martin Luther King's work and Malcolm makes work and I was reading crazy stuff for that age, But he had a massive impact on my mindset. I never met all those people and, obviously, we never have got the opportunity to do that. But I feel mentored by them. Yeah. Wow.
Without ever having sat in the same room as them because you study, like, how they made decisions at your study what they said and what they wrote they stood for and they stood for and how and and and the parts that you don't hear through history. Mh. The parts that were actually more difficult and of course. The parts where they weren't the perfect here Ryan. And so all of that kind of stuff.
But Tom, before we go to the final 5, You've been so gracious with your time today. I have to ask you if... You wanna clarify the Hurricane situation because Now I'll tell you why. The reason why I say this is I had the dream. So I'm a emergency manchester night support everyone on my community knows that very well.
Right. If I have always had the dream that Harry Kane when Wayne Ro retired. Mh. Harry Kane was gonna come to Manchester United. Okay.
And he was gonna follow in the footsteps of all the great England forwards that played. Okay. He mentioned you know. That didn't happen. Nice.
I'm just still holding on to that dream. But you want him to go somewhere else. Well, listen. Listen. Let me just clarify.
Right? I love Hurricane. I love Humans on. Humans on is my favorite player. He is a hero.
I love To. I'm a big To fan, but I just... I know that those players could thrive and have... The best careers ever else. I just wanna see I wanna see Harry lifting in a trophy, and I wanna see San there by him and and And I just don't think.
You're rooting for the individual. Yeah. Yeah. I'll always be a top fan. You know, I love being a spur fan.
My brother, Harry and I, you know, we've really ponder over it. But I I just... You know, Harry Is 1 of the best striker in the world. And, he would fit into almost any team, and I'd love to see him on top. Yeah.
And... Interesting question. Do you think he would have had a similar season to Holland, had he gone to see? Oh 0, that's I personally think. Because I think Harlan amazing.
I I think Harlan with his age, his strength and his mentality. You know what's crazy about Ireland is. I saw this interview, and you know, obviously, it hate hurts me to say it, but city and all. But when Holland did this interview. He just scored, like, Can't remember which game it was.
He's unbelievable. Scored he's scored like, 5 goals that game, and he was like, I should had 7. And and the interview was like, come on, They'll take some credit. You scored 5. And he's like, yeah, I'm I'm happy with that, but he goes, you know, there were a couple of assists that should have gone in and I thought that meant mentality.
You know, So when his mindset... Win his mindset say Was like, he was... He knew exactly which opportunities he missed And I was like So I think it's an aids thing. Yeah. He's strength.
I feel like Harlan kind of like, I've always compared Harlan till Ivan Drag, like, he was made in the lab. Right. He made. Like, he was manufacturing. Yeah.
There's incredible talent. I don't think see he's good with, like, he he admit... Like, he's caused a lot of tap ins. And I think that his game. Yeah.
But, matt, no Was on a scorecard. And I'm not in a good way. Yeah. Totally I'm saying that he's been built that way and city play that way. I don't know if Kain a tapping guy like.
Sure. He's... He's got his goals have generally been a bit more diverse in that magic. Yeah. Magic is the way.
I describe Cane. Yeah. Now. I... I love him.
And obviously, it's a typical thing of, like, the press are out saying Tom Holland begging in Kane to leave. I'm not begging him to leave. I love that he's at our club because I'd be terrified to see where we'd be without him. But I just love to see him have the career? I know he could have.
What do you think of Jude bell him to Madrid? I think that's a great mood. Yeah. I love that whatever. I love that.
And what's even what's interesting is that all of my friends in Spain from Barcelona. I have 1 friend from Madrid. I've always been a big barcelona support because I used to go to barcelona all the time as a kid. Had a few weekends where I'd say to my mom and dad. I'm going to my friend's house and I would go to Barcelona.
How did you Sneaky. If I don't my Indian parents there, I, I... They know the dial tone straight away. And mate I got caught. My mom called me up and was like, where Are IEI was...
I'm trying say I was I'm my friend's house. She said know you're not because I'm here. And I was in Glass in Barcelona. But I just I just love players. I think J bella is amazing.
And, you know, I just love to see what you could do that. Yeah. I think it's the thing for me is I love legacy. I love seeing what players can do. I'm less about the teams, so I love about tennis or golf, You know, it's not about the team.
It's about the player. So I would just love to see what he could do there. And, you know, I'm sure 1 day we'll see England. So raise a trophy, and and I... We've got such a great young team and and I'd admire them all, but, yeah, I think it's a great move for him.
He's only 19 or, Something mean, like that since San 19. And that's wild It's incredible. He's a year older than my brother Patty. That's mental. Mate...
You've been amazing today, honestly, This is, yeah. This has been some of the most fun I've had in a long time yeah. Thank you. Thank. I appreciate.
I wanna... We ask everyone, the final 5. And so these are the fast 5... Questions. Okay.
Which means answers have to be 1 word to 1 sentence maximum. Okay? No more than that. Done. Okay?
And you don't have to write or spell them out So no. No. No problem me a long you'll be a long... None none of that. Alright.
So Tom Holland, these are your final 5. Question 1, what is the best advice you've ever received? To turn your nerves into excitement. I like that. That would never had that the.
I loved. Alright. Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever received? Move to La, get a marijuana license and buy a hot tub. Who told you that?
Mark will work. That's brilliant. No. He told me that on a chat shows. So I don't know if that was legit advice, but I didn't take his advice.
Okay. Good. Well Who would you have been if you took that advice? Who knows? Yeah who knows.
Alright. Question number 3. What's the first thing you do every morning and the last thing you do every night? Make my bed? It's the first thing I do, and the last thing I do before I go to bed admittedly is I checked my emails, which I shouldn't do.
But that is what I do. Yeah. It's bad. Yeah. We asked that just to make you aware of what you need to change.
I do need to change that. Making my bed is a good start. I used to never do that. And now, like, my first thing I do is I make my bed that's my first challenge of the day. Is a good...
It's an easy 1 to get done. Question for what's something you're trying to learn at the moment? I'm currently taking golf lessons And if we see a trend is. It's not going very well. Hey.
Where where are you at at the moment? Thing is with Golf is that the gold swing is a very very particular thing. So in order to get better, you do have to take quite a few steps backwards. I've taken maybe 25 steps backwards, but I will I will benefit from it eventually. He doing every day.
Every day. I've always every day by practice every. I've always said that to my wife. I was, Wanna go away for a month, and I wanna get a trader day. I'm gonna play golf.
Every single day. I mean, I that's great way I'd... Yeah. That's the only way. I had a really...
So 1 of my clients took me to P in Arizona. Yeah. Which is like this beautiful place Bob Parsons place, and I had a coach there for 2 days. And I was like half decent after 2 days because the coach was so good. Yeah.
And when I got back to la, I tried to get a coach, and I couldn't find a good 1, and then I had a coach that literally... He came highly recommended, but it didn't work out for me. He he didn't let me take, like naught 0.7 of a swing before he gave me feedback. And I was like, I just need to hit a few, like, need to kinda just... And it was like every time I was about to the, but No.
Sure. Sure Sure. I was like I just need to kind of, like, get a feel for it. And so the guy I go to as a guy called James Heath. Okay.
And he does most of his teachings off of feel. So it's not about numbers. It's not about results. It's more about how do you feel. I he calls it the feels.
So, like, I'm working on twisting my hips more in my backs swing and he will say to me, how does that make you feel? Like, physically. Where do you feel the stretch? Where do you feel the pain where do you feel the pinch great. That's what I need you to feel.
And I... Coming from a dancers background, that's a really great way for me to learn because everything in dancing is about feel. Yeah. Great So if you need a great teacher in London, James He. I'm fine.
Thank you. Shout, James here. Yeah. Shout, James He. Fifth and final question.
If you could create 1 law that everyone else in the world had to follow. What would it be? I don't know. I don't know what 1 law would solve the most amount of problems. What would you say?
Curious? I'd probably go to something you said earlier. If if I'm giving a genuine answer. Your answer. Is I really wish there was a life school.
On mate. Like, I I... That would be it because I'm not saying that would solve all the problems in the world. No. But it would set people up when I say life school, I mean, emotional mastery.
I mean, a hundred percent ego master. I mean, the ability to be kind and empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate. Create safe spaces. I think a life school that taught you how to be non judgmental. Sure.
And non critical of others without understanding them. I think Sure. That's what I mean by life school, so not just the like, paying taxes and bills and stuff. But the life school of, like, well, what if what if we didn't have to live in a world where we just... Said everything we wanted to and did everything wanted to and got away with it and, you know.
But I think life, the life lesson for me should be basic... Health and Cpr and basic First aid training. It should be like you said, creating an environment at school where young people feel more comfortable talking about themselves, what they're going through, you know, things that might be happening at home or things that are happening at school. Like, I think that that would be an amazing way for us to be more expressive and more comfortable express, And again, like, I know I keep going back to it, but it's about what my show is about, which is you should feel empowered when asking for help should be something that you're proud of. You're recognizing that you have an issue, It might be an internal issue.
It might be an external issue, but you are seeking help, which I think is very admirable. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I do encourage and recommend everyone go what's the crowd room.
I I personally loving it with my wife, honestly, like, I... I barely watched Tv shows if I'm completely honest, and it's because I I like something that makes me think and reflect and, you know, and entertain me at the same time. Sure. And I think it does a brilliant job of doing all 3. Like, it...
It's gripping. I'm, like, trying to figure out what's going on next. Nice. At the same time I'm, like, it's it's amazing watching you being able to be this very different character to what we know you as. Sure.
And that's really impressive. So even on you. Even on a performance level, I'm, I'm forgetting that you are Spider man. Nice. Right.
Like, that's that's how I watch movies where I'm like, can I forget? Right. Who this person is? And or are they playing a car of themselves? Obviously.
Sure And with you? I'm, like, I don't even think to think it's you. Right. Right Right Right now I'm talking to you and I've been watching the show Like, oh, it's not in the same person. Sure.
And and that is really, really impressive on it before and standpoint. So... Well, thank you so much. Best. I really appreciate on it.
Yeah. Thank you mate. Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose. Our children have become less imaginative about how to prop...
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